So bad_ace has uncovered some pretty good documentation from Sunnyvale Police Department that indicates that many of the officers are disgruntled by the fact that OCers are a law-abiding crowd. I guess that simple and impartial enforcement of the law is not an option anymore.
A summary of the documentation from bad_ace (shamelessly copied from his post on OCDO)
1. It seems SPD has a collaborative effort to stifle open carry activities.
2. They know it’s legal so they’re spending time finding ways to arrest for other things. (guilty before proven innocent)
3. SPD actively monitors opencarryradio.com, my youtube channel, and OCDO
4. They are informing neighboring departments when we have meet ups their.
5. They desperately want to arrest us for “failure to ID” (as if that’s a real thing). They know PC148.9 is bull, so they look for other tactics.
6. SPD wants to start a “Public Information Component” to educate the public on Open Carry. (Ministry of Truth?)
7. An off duty officer has called 911 on open carriers in Sunnyvale.
8. SPD is building a GIS maps database of school zones.
Links to the documentation
Document set 1
Document set 2
Now, I am going to go on a little bit of a schpeal here...
While it is NOT recommended that people OC at this time, (even I recommend not doing so at this moment) due to imminent political and legal issues (there IS a bill that has been drafted to ban UOC and it appears like it has been drafted so that it will invariably get a lot of innocent people arrested for even harmless transport) as well as the fact that we have no "legal teeth" so to speak (since the 2A is a PRIVILEGE at the moment, not a RIGHT) AND Calguns Foundation is NOT protecting OCers at the moment. I hate to admit it, but OCing right now is, OVERALL, not exactly the best idea. This argument has been hashed out many times over on OCDO and CGN so I will not rehash it here too much. I know it sounds weird coming from someone like me that has been so vocal in the past and has been published, but I know that the standing and expertise of the great members of the Calguns Foundation have not erred yet and so I am inclined to generally agree with them.
Once the 2A is incorporated AGAINST THE STATES via McDonald v. Chicago, we will get our prayers answered via Nordyke v. King and then we can really have the tools we need to win this emotionally draining fight for our rights. Yes, we do have to wait another SIX months but trust me, the juice is definitely worth the delayed squeeze on this one. We have the best men in the country working on this case and while it hurts to wait, that is just what we must do... WAIT.
Now, should one decide to open carry at this time (I am not your mother, I can only advise), I would like to warn you that cops getting much wiser about open carry and they are looking to up their game. The evidence presented above shows me that many police departments are evolving and are coordinating in an effort to simply arrest an OCer, ANY OCer, so that an OCer can be made an example by the State. They don't want that one 74 year-old guy in San Jose, they want one of the frequent posters on OCDO/CGN, anyone that is very experienced with the subject matter OR someone that is younger. DO NOT GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY! DO NOT LET YOUR DEFENSES FALTER! If it smells like a skunk, then it is a skunk and you need to act accordingly.
With that, I must depart for class.
CARRY ON!
-N8
Tuesday, January 5, 2010
Thursday, December 31, 2009
Open Carry FAQ
So a great many people and I have put together a fairly comprehensive Open Carry FAQ that will hopefully be utilized as a Wiki source for the Calguns Wiki and other such firearms-information services. However, since peer review is the best sort of review, I would really appreciate if some of you took the time to read through this document and make comments on it as you see fit. This will help my collaborators and myself to include more information or refine the information that is being presented.
Link to the Open Carry FAQ
CARRY ON!
-N8
Wednesday, December 23, 2009
Gun buyback
So I went to the latest San Diego "Giftcards for Guns" buyback on Market Street in an attempt to inform people of their gun's value and to prevent these valuable guns from being senselessly melted down into rebar. This event was held by the UAAMAC (acronym represents a name that is way too long) and the SDPD. I have since found out that about 105 guns were submitted for destruction. However, one of them just didn't make it to the rebar factory.
Guess who got the other gun?
CARRY ON!
-N8
Guess who got the other gun?
CARRY ON!
-N8
Friday, November 27, 2009
Cool letter to the Editor
I just found this on the SD Reader site. There are others but I happen to like this one the best. It saddens me to know that such things are happening in this country, especially in a (more) free state like Pennsylvania.
Land Of The Licensed
First off, let me say congratulations for an excellent article and a superb job by your reporter, Rosa Jurjevics (“They Carry Guns,” Cover Story, July 16).
I grew up in San Diego. My family left in the mid-’80s and moved to Connecticut. To this day I am still a diehard San Diego fan. (Come on, guys…we rocked it in ’98. I want a series comeback in 2012.)
Anyways, I read this article with fascinating interest. You see, I remember going to the mall in the early ’80s. My father open-carried his Ruger Security-Six on his hip. It was a little different than the experience in your article. You see, back then you could open-carry a loaded firearm. How much things have changed.
Americans are losing their rights. And most do not even realize it. It’s not just firearms. In Pennsylvania there is a law that will mandate all contractors to be licensed. Any contractor performing work without a license will result in a felony. Think about it. You just build decks in people’s backyards, and now you’re going to be a felon, potentially losing your right to vote and/or own a firearm? Everything is becoming a felony. Everything requires a license/tax. I just learned that my landlord has to pay $150 for a “renter’s license.”
What has happened to the land of the free? We’re becoming the land of the licensed, controlled, and taxed!
Reading your article brought a mix of feelings from nostalgia (thinking back to my father with his sidearm on his hip) to sadness (how much freedom San Diego has lost), to hope (there are people standing up and fighting for their rights). You might even find this recent post on my blog fascinating: http://nugun.wordpress.com/ 2009/07/25/25-yrs-ago-at-a-mcdonalds-in-san-diego/.
I just wanted to thank you for such an honest and well-reported article. You see, most of the time the media spouts off terms it knows nothing about. This is why Congresswoman McCarthy thinks a barrel shroud is something you unfold, rather than a protective safety device that covers a barrel in order to reduce the risk of being burned by a hot barrel. Only when it comes to firearms are we so led by fear that we would ban a safety device and call it a feature of an assault weapon.
It was so nice to see a media reporter actually go and find out the facts firsthand — engage gun owners, even fire some handguns and rifles, take her fingers off the keys and actually get them dirty. Your reporter showed a tremendous amount of courage. Open carry is a scary thing, even for gun advocates. Even in many places where it’s legal (i.e., Pennsylvania), it’s often understood that there is a significant risk of being harassed by someone unfamiliar with the law — even law-enforcement officers. Your reporter braved the experience, and the result was a superb firsthand article. Great job!
Jason Epperson
York, Pennsylvania
Land Of The Licensed
First off, let me say congratulations for an excellent article and a superb job by your reporter, Rosa Jurjevics (“They Carry Guns,” Cover Story, July 16).
I grew up in San Diego. My family left in the mid-’80s and moved to Connecticut. To this day I am still a diehard San Diego fan. (Come on, guys…we rocked it in ’98. I want a series comeback in 2012.)
Anyways, I read this article with fascinating interest. You see, I remember going to the mall in the early ’80s. My father open-carried his Ruger Security-Six on his hip. It was a little different than the experience in your article. You see, back then you could open-carry a loaded firearm. How much things have changed.
Americans are losing their rights. And most do not even realize it. It’s not just firearms. In Pennsylvania there is a law that will mandate all contractors to be licensed. Any contractor performing work without a license will result in a felony. Think about it. You just build decks in people’s backyards, and now you’re going to be a felon, potentially losing your right to vote and/or own a firearm? Everything is becoming a felony. Everything requires a license/tax. I just learned that my landlord has to pay $150 for a “renter’s license.”
What has happened to the land of the free? We’re becoming the land of the licensed, controlled, and taxed!
Reading your article brought a mix of feelings from nostalgia (thinking back to my father with his sidearm on his hip) to sadness (how much freedom San Diego has lost), to hope (there are people standing up and fighting for their rights). You might even find this recent post on my blog fascinating: http://nugun.wordpress.com/ 2009/07/25/25-yrs-ago-at-a-mcdonalds-in-san-diego/.
I just wanted to thank you for such an honest and well-reported article. You see, most of the time the media spouts off terms it knows nothing about. This is why Congresswoman McCarthy thinks a barrel shroud is something you unfold, rather than a protective safety device that covers a barrel in order to reduce the risk of being burned by a hot barrel. Only when it comes to firearms are we so led by fear that we would ban a safety device and call it a feature of an assault weapon.
It was so nice to see a media reporter actually go and find out the facts firsthand — engage gun owners, even fire some handguns and rifles, take her fingers off the keys and actually get them dirty. Your reporter showed a tremendous amount of courage. Open carry is a scary thing, even for gun advocates. Even in many places where it’s legal (i.e., Pennsylvania), it’s often understood that there is a significant risk of being harassed by someone unfamiliar with the law — even law-enforcement officers. Your reporter braved the experience, and the result was a superb firsthand article. Great job!
Jason Epperson
York, Pennsylvania
Thank you, Mr. Epperson, for your kind and informative words.
CARRY ON!
-N8
Thursday, November 19, 2009
Gun handling issues
It has come to my attention through various incidents and anonymous persons that there have been an increase of cops asking OCers to draw and handle their sidearms for the purpose of conducting a self-12031 check.
I would like to take a moment and tell those that have decided to OC in California again that UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD YOU HANDLE YOUR FIREARM IN FRONT OF A POLICE OFFICER, ESPECIALLY FOR A 12031 CHECK! I do not care if they tell you it is "OK," "You'll be fine," or they offer you free ice cream and pony rides, DO NOT DO IT!
Handling your firearm in that manner is a grey legal area and you are under NO OBLIGATION to comply with that order. Aside from the grey legal issues, it is a perfect way for a cop to ventilate you should they think or you are a threat OR, in light of more recent events, desire to turn you into a bloody example. In addition, there is a possibility for brandishing charges. I may be cynical and sadistic but the truth of the matter is that cops are under no obligation to inform you of the law and if you trip up, you can end up on the wrong end of the stick.
What you should do...
1) DON'T SAY ANYTHING! Don't acknowledge their request or their demand. Just let them come over and do their check. It is a voluntary check on their part and a 4A violation for you so helping them out in screwing you over isn't very smart.
2) SHOULD YOU DECIDE TO OPEN YOUR MOUTH, simply say "I do not consent to warrantless searches of my person or my effects but I will not resist if you choose to do so. If you want to check my gun, you can do it yourself, I refuse to handle my weapon."
3) DO NOT LET THEM COERCE YOU INTO TOUCHING YOUR FIREARM! They cannot MAKE you touch your gun. They can beg, plead and yell at you but DO NOT TOUCH YOUR GUN! You TELL THEM to do it themselves or just be silent and they will figure it out.
Bottom line: DO NOT help cops screw you over and DO NOT give cops a chance to kill you. All the evidence in the world won't help you once you are dead and, short of massive hemorrhaging, subsequent court cases for brandishing and the like are crappy as well.
That is all that I have.
CARRY ON!
-N8
Edited on 3/26/2010 to include references to recent events, e.g. Rob Tuason's death threats.
I would like to take a moment and tell those that have decided to OC in California again that UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD YOU HANDLE YOUR FIREARM IN FRONT OF A POLICE OFFICER, ESPECIALLY FOR A 12031 CHECK! I do not care if they tell you it is "OK," "You'll be fine," or they offer you free ice cream and pony rides, DO NOT DO IT!
Handling your firearm in that manner is a grey legal area and you are under NO OBLIGATION to comply with that order. Aside from the grey legal issues, it is a perfect way for a cop to ventilate you should they think or you are a threat OR, in light of more recent events, desire to turn you into a bloody example. In addition, there is a possibility for brandishing charges. I may be cynical and sadistic but the truth of the matter is that cops are under no obligation to inform you of the law and if you trip up, you can end up on the wrong end of the stick.
What you should do...
1) DON'T SAY ANYTHING! Don't acknowledge their request or their demand. Just let them come over and do their check. It is a voluntary check on their part and a 4A violation for you so helping them out in screwing you over isn't very smart.
2) SHOULD YOU DECIDE TO OPEN YOUR MOUTH, simply say "I do not consent to warrantless searches of my person or my effects but I will not resist if you choose to do so. If you want to check my gun, you can do it yourself, I refuse to handle my weapon."
3) DO NOT LET THEM COERCE YOU INTO TOUCHING YOUR FIREARM! They cannot MAKE you touch your gun. They can beg, plead and yell at you but DO NOT TOUCH YOUR GUN! You TELL THEM to do it themselves or just be silent and they will figure it out.
Bottom line: DO NOT help cops screw you over and DO NOT give cops a chance to kill you. All the evidence in the world won't help you once you are dead and, short of massive hemorrhaging, subsequent court cases for brandishing and the like are crappy as well.
That is all that I have.
CARRY ON!
-N8
Edited on 3/26/2010 to include references to recent events, e.g. Rob Tuason's death threats.
So you can call me...
So I have been feeling a bit frisky with the new Google Voice service and I decided to add a phone number to my repertoire of contact options.
AND THE NUMBER IS.....
478-CAR-RYON! (478-227-7966)
With this number, you can leave me a voicemail or send me a text message and I can respond to either of them, time willing (the text option is MUCH faster, BTW).
Just spreading the love before I go to bed!
CARRY ON!
-N8
AND THE NUMBER IS.....
478-CAR-RYON! (478-227-7966)
With this number, you can leave me a voicemail or send me a text message and I can respond to either of them, time willing (the text option is MUCH faster, BTW).
Just spreading the love before I go to bed!
CARRY ON!
-N8
Thursday, October 22, 2009
Sunnyvale PD Memo
OCDO member bad_ace did a Public Records Act Request (PRAR) for documents pertaining to UOC and got Sunnyvale's memo. It is quite a good read and the best memo to come out of this state thus far on UOC. However, there are a few ironies that one can see when you give it a read.
Link to the OCDO thread (and the document itself)
CARRY ON!
-N8
Link to the OCDO thread (and the document itself)
CARRY ON!
-N8
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