Monday, January 26, 2009

San Diego Open Carry MEET!

To all concerned patriots, free men and women of able mind and body,

You are cordially invited to represent, and your beloved Constitution at yet another San Diego Open Carry Outing!

Let us see some support out there! Here are the details.

-When: Saturday, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:30AM
-Where: The main lifeguard tower at the end of Grand Avenue, on the boardwalk between the showers and the big pelican. You can't miss the pelican! This location is in San Diego in Mission Beach!
-PLEASE RSVP! Email me, PM me on Calguns, leave a comment on this blog, just let me know if you're planning to come and what forum you are a member of!


1) The really cool and pro-RKBA detective from the first San Diego Open Carry Lunch at El Indio will be attending our outing in plain clothes. From what I know he is a good man and he knows the restaurants in the area so we will have fun and good food as well.

2) The film crew that will be filming us is not a news station or anything official, it is actually a married couple that are friends with Chris (gir007) and will probably be making a documentary video for us. From what I hear they are really cool people and are doing this for free so for those that can chip in for their lunch it would be much appreciated.

UPDATE 2-16-09: Chris has informed me that the film crew will not be available as he will have to go out of town that weekend. I am looking to pick up another film crew, probably a group of students in need of a film project. I will keep you guys posted!

3) Dressing the part (UPDATED 1-26)... This is, above all else, a chance to create good public relations with those less knowledgeable about firearms and firearm laws and to dispell the common myths that hold gun owners in a bad light. As such, it has been imparted to me by those wiser in such matters (Liberty1) that dressing the part is essential. Therefore, it is requested that those attending this outing be nicely attired. (CHANGE HERE)--> Since slacks to a beach function is almost silly, I say that we dress in what is comfortable but also looks nice, as open carrying is already hard enough as it is and we shouldn't have to dress up the occasion as well.

A suggestion though is to not have t-shirts that could be used against us in a stereotype, e.g. smiley face with bloody hole in the head, etc. While fun amongst gun owners, it is not the best PR with those not in the gun community so lets keep it clean cut.

4) We are going to a restaurant somewhere on the boardwalk, though the restaurant has not been revealed to me as of yet. Our good detective is taking a look at a few of them and Sam has had some suggestions but I must admit I am not familiar with the area myself so I will keep you all posted as this develops.

5) While it is legal to open carry an unloaded shotgun or rifle on your person in the state of California, the carrying of long guns is ill-advised, at least for the moment. The issue of muzzle discipline and weapon control is too complicated even for the seasoned open carrier so we are requesting that all guns brought to this outing be handguns.




-School zones, other rules, etc.

1) There are no school zones in the area we are gathering and walking but there are two in the area that will be of concern for those parking, packing and walking from farther distances, so plan your routes appropriately. A map of school zones is listed near the bottom!

2) I may be wrong on this (correct me if I am) but I do not believe that we can go onto the beach while we are strapped since it is a "park." However, it might be fun to stand on the boardwalk wall and have a cool photo taken, HAHA!

3) As usual, make sure nothing can cover your holster, print out a few information pamphlets and carry your voice recorder!

-For all those that are new at this...

For all those that are new, fairly new and are trying this out for the first time, this is a GREAT opportunity to "cut your teeth" on the Open Carry Movement, meet fellow California gun owners, and members and other citizens of like mind. Please do not be afraid to contact me with any questions regarding this outing or to attend, the more the merrier!

At the request of a fellow Calgunner and OC watchdog (Liberty1), I am going to include the following PSA:

1) If you are loaned a pistol by anyone you know, you need to have a valid HSC (Handgun Safety Card) on your person.

2) Read the memos, particularly the SDPD memo. Look at the links to the right in the "Essential Open Carry Links" to find it. Read all of the California Open Carry FAQ for a more succinct version.

3) If you are unsure of the law in any way, DO NOT BRING A GUN! Wear an empty holster, a cool t-shirt, come to support us, but when in doubt, don't bring it out.


A) At home: place unloaded pistol in FULLY enclosed LOCKED case (soft or hard). Place loaded mags into exposed mag belt pouch on belt.

B) Carry case to car and place in trunk.

C) Drive to parking area, put on empty holster.

D) Remove locked case from vehicle (important to complete exemption in 12026.1a if carrying concealed).

E) Open case, place unloaded handgun into holster.

We do not want people getting any 626.9 (school zone) or 12026.1a (concealed weapons) violations coming to this meet but if you follow these rules you will be 100% OK. Remember that there are several K-12 schools on the way to the meeting place so be damned sure you are not within 1000' from the EDGE of the school before strapping on after parking! IF you are unsure of the locale, are navigationally challenged and want as little fanfare as possible, DO NOT TAKE THE GUN OUT OF THE LOCKED CONTAINER UNTIL YOU GET TO THE MEETING AREA!

5) Do not hesitate to email me if you have any questions! For select cases I will converse over the phone. I am committed to making this a successful venture for all the attending open carriers, both greenhorns and veterans.

6) PLEASE RSVP! Email me, post a comment on this blog, PM me, post on the thread (listed below), just let me know.

For those interested, my email address is and my handle is pullnshoot25.

Here is the thread about the outing.
Post of photos from the first Open Carry Meet
My writeup and photos from the second Open Carry Meet
A thread on "web diplomacy" for those spreading the word about Open Carry!

THERE WILL BE AN UNLOADED CHECK! However, you are not obligated nor required to voluntarily submit to it. Rather, the police are required to demand the 12031 unloaded check via POLICE ORDER. DO NOT COOPERATE by handing over your gun (thus waiving your 4th amendment rights) but COMPLY with the order given and only when given!

Email sent to me from our good Detective explaining the procedure.

Nate, I spoke with Capt. Zimmerman. If people show up with their firearms in a condition officers can clearly tell they are unloaded that will be fine. She does not want people handling their firearms around the officers, the public, or each other. The officers will approach a member and explain they will be conducting an inspection on the member's gun. The officer will then give the person instructions on how the inspection will be conducted, what they want the member to do, where to stand, etc. Should go pretty quickly.

-List of forum populations invited

-Invited Meetup Groups

San Diego County Colleges for Ron Paul Meetup Group
San Diego Libertarians Meetup
San Diego Liberty Circle Meetup

-Gun rights groups invited

United States Gun Club
San Diego Gun Rights Committee
San Diego NRA

-Gun shops invited to this event (Owners, employees, patrons)

Turner's San Marcos (Thanks for getting it out there, Mike!)
Turner's Kearney Mesa
Discount Gun Mart
Duncan's Gunworks
Iron Sights (Thanks for posting in the lobby!)
Royal Loan and Pawn
Southern California Gun
American Shooting Center
El Cajon Gun Exchange
Ranger Doug's Shootists' Emporium (Can't come due to SASS event but I think he posted it up)
The Shootist
Faith Armory (Owners cant come but they might attend another outing!)
Hi Pass Sports
Precision Arms (Trying to change his mind to support this event)

-Ranges invited

Escondido Fish and Game (emailed the President)

I am looking forward to this outing!

Map of meeting place and NO-GO ZONES!






Chris (gir007), Sam (elsensei) and Nathan (pullnshoot25)

List of people attending or planning to attend thus far

  1. gir007 (CG)
  2. pullnshoot25 (CG)
  3. elsensei (CG) (+3)
  4. Enthusiast (CG)
  5. flintlock tom (OCDO)
  6. tube_ee (THR/CG)
  7. Mike (Turner's SM)
  8. Dave (Turner's SM)
  9. BTF/PTM (CG
  10. Mulay El Raisuli (CG)
  11. CmpsdNoMore (CG)
  12. Theseus (CG) (Depends on court)
  13. bplvr (CG) (maybe)
  14. VW*Mike (CG) (depends on work)
  15. hotfire (CG)
  16. AEC1 (CG)
  17. Alleyehave (CG
  18. siebler +friend (potential) (customtaco)
  19. miguelitro (TTORA)
  20. Regan (San Diego Liberty Circle)
  21. Joey H. (San Diego Liberty Circle)
  22. Mike Benoit (+1) (San Diego Liberty Circle)
  23. Craig (San Diego Liberty Circle)
  24. wolfenstein (+1) (OCDO)
  25. agentfr0st (CG)
  26. bornInSD (CG)
  27. bajaguy (CG)
  28. Mike (+GF)(+Friend) (Friends of Mine)
  29. SOneThreeCoupe's Fiancee (OCDO)
  30. Decoligny (+friend) (CG)
  31. Hawk84 (CG)
  32. oneisnone(XDTALK) (+2-3)
  33. botsdots (CG)
  34. Josh (San Diego Liberty Circle)
  35. Blackwaterops (CG) (CAMERA!)
  36. NoHammer (CG)
  37. USN CHIEF (CG)
  38. tuna quesadilla (CG) (potential)
  39. JustinStrife (CG) (contingent on shooting trip)
  40. Liberty1 (CG) (potential)
  41. giaking70 (OCDO)
  42. dave1947 (CG)
  43. Twitchalot (+4) (potential) (Might even bring his Mom!)
  44. GenLee (CG) (+wife)
  45. PTMatteson (CG) (+wife)
  46. Acoghog (CG) (+wife)
  47. Grammaton76 (CG) (+wife) (CAMERA!)
  48. gvasquez (CG) (+wife) (CAMERA!)
  49. Mykal (OCDO) (+3)
  50. Nomadd (CG) (+1)
  51. Macadelic4 (CG) (+1)(potential)
  52. bondmid003 (CG) (potential)
  53. Oldtimer
  54. Dann the Libertarian (+2)
  55. MEPDtoUSPD (potential)
Rolling total: 84, with 20 potentials and 64 confirmed. Several will be filming or not OCing and there will be at least two police officers, if not more.


Lisa Ann Wilson said...

what?! no kilts allowed? ;)

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Flintlock Tom said...

Why no kilts? I was hoping to air mine out.
Are we worried that it might dilute our message, or be a distraction? I see no prohibitions against low-cut tops for the ladies.

TrackerPacker said...

Hey Flintlock Tom! Just saw your post last night on about your newest OC outing, very cool! Glad to have another SD OC guy in the midst!

While we won't prohibit the kilt wearing it just isn't recommended, as we have to present a good image to those that are not as knowledgeable about firearms as we are.

Personally, I usually carry in jeans and a t-shirt but I kind of want to get mildly schnazzy for this one :)


Flintlock Tom said...

Your party, your rules. I'll respect your wishes.

(but I have great legs) ;-)

TrackerPacker said...

Yeah, but I won't cry or anything if you do (quoting that old "its my party, I can cry if I want to" song :) ) HAHA!

elsensei said...

you know what? i'm reconsidering the whole kilt thing. First, they're badassed and I've had about a hundred women tell me that a man confident enough to wear a kilt is a man she's "got to have." A kilt is also traditional garb of OTHER groups of people who were tyrannized, the Celts and the Scots. California gun owners should feel an affinity for any oppressed people, and a kilt in a way expresses solidarity with anyone who had their rights denied. Besides, when was the last time some office jockey in khakis stood up for his rights? Second, I'm a little tired of pussyfooting around. So far I've seen that laying low and hoping to God that the state or the mob doesn't strip us of our rights hasn't exactly worked wonders. People who believe in self-determination and God-given, Constitutionally-guaranteed rights come from all walks of life and I say wear what you are comfortable in. Finally, our legislators have already done enough to set a dress code for us with this whole silly OC thing, without us restricting ourselves more. How ridiculous would a three-piece suit or a sport coat look with a belt strapped OVER the outer garment, just to be sure you're not "concealing"? What if it's cold and rainy that day? Gun's gotta go over your raincoat in the weather or over your heavy jacket or long coat.

I think I just made up my mind. I'm going to follow the law as it's currently written while I do whatever I can to make a huge stink about my -and your- eroding rights, but in the meantime I'm going to wear whatever I want,and I'm gonna look sharp as hell no matter what.

agentfr0st said...

Count me in gentlemen.

Flintlock Tom said...

You gave me goosebumps, I'll stand with you any day.

TrackerPacker said...

Well put Sam!

I am working on some cool shirts for the family, I am hoping that they come out as envisioned, it is going to be freaking sweet!

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elsensei said...

Man. What a lot of bullshit to exercise a right that "shall not be infringed."

Can you imagine if the Founders had written "Subject to reasonable infringement" ?

We'd all be crucified by now. And when I say crucified, I mean literally nailed to a tree through the arms and legs.

Gunsmoke and Burning Rubber said...

I (SOneThreeCoupe on, real name Steve) will definitely be there with my fiancee again.

Every time you have one of these, I will make time to be there.

Liberty1 said...

I'm the evil kilt hater [I own 4 :)]

This is your event SD OCers. Wear what you want, but...

and please consider my reasoning...

IMO we should be concentrating on appealing to the greatest audience possible when in public. After all public and LEO education is easier to accomplish when that message comes from someone whom they otherwise view as "normal".

People make judgements based on looks (yes it is not right) but the goal of public carry at this time should be the "hearts and minds" of those on the fence or who have never encountered public self defense carry.

We're trying to teach about the existing laws and normalize UOC (with the desire that unconstitutional laws like 12031 go away in the future).

I don't like to say the above but we do have to realize that we are a minority which is in need of as broad a level of public support that we can raise without causing a backlash.

Lets raise that support so we can LOC w/Kilt and drink a beer with lunch while throwing a frisbee on the beach. In other words let work towards victory by building a firm base.

Yes we have been without the Right for too long. It is coming but that will be from federal court challenges after Nordyke, not a weekend meet-up in SD.

Baby steps, sadly, is what will win the race. Moderation in what we do with good planning will insure our UOC meet-ups are a continuing success.

But for now please give my humble appeal some thought not just on clothing but on all issues concerning our presentation in public.

San Diego OCers are leading the way in CA. Thank you to everyone participating. You are a beacon of light to California's oppressed Liberty loving masses.

Liberty1 said...

"6) UPDATED 2-11-09: When you arrive to the meeting area, you are to go to the garage of the lifeguard tower to have your weapon undergo a 12031 unloaded check."

DO NOT ENTER A GOVERNMENT BUILDING (171b of the Ca. Penal Code - felony)

The "garage of the lifeguard tower (firehouse)" is a Gov. Building as defined in 171b PC - IMO.

davina said...

I'm also wondering about the weapons check. Is there going to be an on duty officer there? 12031 doesn't apply to every tom, dick, or harry lifeguard, security officer, or rent-a-cop that wants to know if your gun is unloaded. It applies to peace officers only. Also, 12031 doesn't say you have to go find all the cops in the area, tell them you're strapped and ask them to inspect your gun. It only needs to be used when a peace officer confronts YOU and wants to check your firearm. If there will, in fact, be legit on duty officers inspecting firearms, I say let them come to us.

TrackerPacker said...

Davina, you are correct about that and I just posted an update to that in the blog. Check point number 6 on the invite!

davina said...

I've been doing some thinking about not being able to go on the beach. If mission beach is a state park it's a hands down no go (I know torrey pines beach is a state park). If it's not a state park, we should be able to go on the beach so long as there isn't a playground (I know some beaches have them), or any recreational facilities. Obviously there isn't going to be a baseball diamond on the beach, but a volleyball net would be enough to ruin it. PC 417 is all about parks and playgrounds. Not sure, probably not worth the risk?

Gunsmoke and Burning Rubber said...

My (SOneThreeCoupe/Steve) fiancee is no longer able to make it, so it'll just be me.